THE BRAKE LIGHTS ARE ON ALL THE TIME UNLESS I RIDE MY BRAKE PEDAL. THEY WONT COME BACK ON WHEN I PRESS THE BRAKE PEDAL TILL I ALMOST LOCK UP THE BRAKES. LOTS OF ELECTRICAL GREMLINS IN THIS POS CAR. *TR
2007
EXTERIOR LIGHTING:BRAKE LIGHTS
MY SATURN IS EXHIBITING THE BRAKE LIGHT PROBLEM REPORTED IN MEDIA. I HAVE VIDEOS AND PHOTOS SHOWING THE BRAKE LIGHTS ON WITHOUT PEDAL DEPRESSED AND MOST CONCERNING THE BRAKE LIGHTS NOT COMING ON WHEN BRAKE PEDAL PUSHED. I'VE HAD CAR SERVICED AT DEALERSHIP TWICE AND HAVE FOLLOWED THE TSB ON WIRE CORROSION AND PROBLEM STILL EXISTS. IT EXISTED THIS MORNING. I BORROWED A TECH 2 COMPUTER AND HAVE VIDEO AND PHOTOS OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE BRAKE SENSOR. THE BRAKE PEDAL POSITION READS A NEGATIVE POSITION OF -50 AND THIS TURNS ON THE BRAKE LIGHT. WHEN BRAKE LIGHTS ACTING NORMAL IT READS A BRAKE PEDAL POSITION OF +3. AS YOU PUSH THE BRAKES DOWN THE PEDAL POSITION INCREASES FROM THE STARTING NEGATIVE VALUE UNTIL IT GETS TO 50 AND THEN THE BRAKE LIGHTS TURN ON. SO I HAVE A 100 POINT TRAVEL WHERE THE BRAKE LIGHTS WORK THE OPPOSITE. I HAVE THIS ALL ON VIDEO. ALSO, WHEN THIS PROBLEM IS APPEARING, IF I DEPRESS THE BRAKE PEDAL AND RELEASE IT, THE BRAKE LIGHT GOES OFF. I THEN COUNT TO FIVE AND THE BRAKE LIGHT COMES ON. THIS IS PROBABLY DUE TO THE COMPUTER GOING INTO SOME ALARM MODE. IF I DRIVE DOWN THE STREET PUSHING BRAKE PEDAL EVERY FIVE SECONDS, THE BRAKE LIGHT STAYS OFF. I WILL RETURN THE VEHICLE TO DEALER AND SHOW MY VIDEO. THE PROBLEM IS INTERMITTENT AND GOES AWAY WHEN THE CAR/COCKPIT WARMS UP. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN ALL THE TIME AND WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN IT GOES AWAY AFTER ABOUT FIVE MILES OF DRIVING. *TR UPDATED 03/27/13*LJ